Production

Centaure C&B Revolvers 1959 through 1973: The guns were made in Liège, Belgium, by the firm then owned and managed by cousins Albert (administration) and Paul (operations) Hanquet. Paul is the great-grandson of Jean Baptiste Hanquet who in 1853 signed a letter from Sam Colt to the Liège Gun Trade stating the conditions under which they might manufacture revolvers according to his 1849 Belgian patent. These “conditions” specified high quality and payment of a royalty of 10 francs (worth about $ 2 gold in those days, as compared to about 20 cents today).

The Human Factor – Potatoes, Serial Numbers & Quality Issues: As usual when starting production of a new gun there were the bugs in the production process. Edwards reports an incidence with the electro-brazing of the loading lever lug to the barrel. This produced a problem that was not solved for some time. It was noticed that slightly spotty rust would form about 2 inches from the muzzle, marring the otherwise brilliantly burnished button rifling. Repeated attempts were made to find the cause of this, including instructions of the proof house about oiling after cleaning. Still, light rust persisted. Then the same kind of rust was noticed in a rack of barrels not yet sent to the proof house. When this was brought to the attention of the works manager he explained that to keep the heat from spoiling the bore the workman stuck a piece of raw potato in the muzzle while brazing the lug….”No more raw potatoes!”

While the regular production process for the Centaures was established around late 1960 one could still find a gun thereafter with minor flaws e. g. bolt hole in the frame opened up too far, frame inside not milled right or the like. These “imperfections” did not affect FAUL’s reputation as the premium manufacturer of newly made Colt Army 1860s and the high quality level was maintained into the early 1970s.

Compared to the manufacture of modern weapons the making of Centaures was not automated but required mostly manual operations. This implies mistakes were bound to be made. The serial numbering of parts in general, the numbering of cylinders in particular are to be mentioned here. However, this issue was of little concern back in the 1960s but is a field of growing interest for today’s Centaure student and collector. It can be summarized under the heading mismatched Centaures. As mentioned elsewhere the numbering of the parts took place when the revolvers were in the white before bluing/case hardening and proof testing. The Liège Proof house was concerned about the matching of the visible serial numbers only, i. e. barrel lug, frame and trigger-guard:

# for the numbering of cylinders with serial number digits either on the front or breech side, or additionally between the naval scene the dies were stamped manually. At this point transposed digits did occur that just slipped through the quality system.

# after proof testing the pistols were disassembled and cleaned before barrel marking and stamping of the logo took place. One can easily imagine that a few numbered parts got not correctly allocated for the final assembly of the pistols…which was usually the cylinder when it happened!

# Once CACC had decided that they wanted the Colt/Ormsby rather than the Centaure proprietary naval scene on their Centaures they received their revolvers with the blank cylinders numbered to the gun from FAUL’s, i. e. standard production 1^st variation RNMA’s. The roll-engraving of the cylinders took place in the USA with the cylinder removed from the gun. Another area of potentially mismatching cylinders and pistols to be considered.

All gun production (not just C&B revolvers) at FAUL was concluded in 1976 after tough price competition from Italian and Spanish manufacturers forced management to take a hard look at costs. Manufacturing of the New Model Army was already finished during 1973. At that time customers were no longer prepared to pay a premium price for a Belgian pistol when our average Joe Shooter could have the same model MADE IN ITALY at significantly lower prices. He was no longer willing to spend 2,5 times more for better steel, smoother action and better rifling.

Particularly the European muzzleloader community dropped FAUL as the high quality revolver manufacturer, after a number of unfavorable reports from unhappy shooters regarding broken triggers and bolts, hand and bolt springs, faulty rifling or non centric bores during the later years of production. Ca. 1971/72 FAUL had attempted to increase production to meet the growing market demand but was combating manufacturing cost at the same time using new but badly trained workmen. The outcome of this approach was predictable: output of pistols increased but so did the rate of product complaints.

Here is an unfortunate but typical report of a German Centaure owner exemplifying the quality of many but certainly not all of the Belgians Colts made during that period:

“I own my 2^nd Centaure since mid 1972. They were from Bärbel Harlos in Bavaria. On the range with the first one the mainspring broke after the 3^rd round. Installed new mainspring. After the 5^th round the handspring broke. Installed new hand. After the 10^th round the bolt stop broke. Installation of a new bolt stop. After having fired the 3^rd cylinder the arbor dropped out of the frame. Thanks God not during firing.”

“The pistol was returned to the dealer. I got #12106 in exchange.”

“Experience with #12106? Same maladies with mainspring, hand, waggling arbor, bolt stop, broken trigger. – Being the engineer that I am what did I do? I repaired the parts myself. Made a couple of handsprings. Fixed the arbor to the frame, installed a new trigger taken from a HS 121 blanks firing revolver. Since the case colored frame showed already signs of rust I blued that part. From BP residue the brass trigger guard had developed some black spots so I had it nickel plated. So much about the quality of these Super-Colts”.

Therefore, we have to assume that the combination of high production cost but also spotty quality forced FAUL’s first out of percussion revolver production 1973 and completely out of gun making in 1976! In retrospect and all fairness, however, quality cannot have been that bad back then. Because we have a number of Belgians of that later period of production in the survey that were and still are regularly and successfully used today (!) in CAS and bulls-eye type competition shooting.

Production of the Belgian Colt Army, aka Centaure, aka Centennial Army, aka “1960 NEW MODEL ARMY”

# Centaure C&B Revolvers 1959 through 1973

# Centaure Production

# Centaure Manufacturing Technology

# The Human Factor – Potatoes, Serial Numbers & Quality Issues

# Compatibility of Parts, Quality of Materials and Workmanship – Comparison with 1^st Generation Colts & Italian Replicas

# 2^nd Generation Colt vs. Centaure – Differences in the Details

# Point of Impact vs. Point of Aim

# Differences are in the Details Indeed

# Mythbuster

Centaure Production: William B. Edwards and Sigmund Shore selected FAUL for the Centaure project because they got to know them as one of the premier Belgian gun makers and from a previous deal about musket replicas. Edwards supplied FAUL with 2 Colt Army 1860s from the Civil War period as model guns.

“Bill“ William B. Edwards aged 30!

These pistols were from his personal collection.

Their parts gave details for finishing, type of polishing, color of blue etc. One of the pistols had been dropped on concrete resulting in a slightly bent trigger guard but was otherwise perfect.

As an expression of faithfulness with which the Belgians wished to execute the demands of Edwards they copied the guns including the dent. Thousands of guards were cast up with egg-shaped bows. Fortunately this was discovered early enough and corrected before the first shipment left for the USA.

Centaure pistols sport rather shallow regular rifling with constant twist, made by the button rifling process. The caliber is a “real” .44 nominal of .441/.442 adapted to .451 round ball.

The first gun, unnumbered, was kept by Paul Hanquet. The second gun stamped MODEL was given to the then-president of Colt’s. Edwards engraved it on the barrel ADDRESS FRED ROFF, HARTFORD, CT. Unfortunately, neither my correspondence with Nadine Hanquet about Paul Hanquet’s, nor with Colt’s regarding Fred Roff’s Centaure did reveal anything about the whereabouts of these 2 earliest pistols.

Centaure Manufacturing Technology: As usual with the Liège gun makers work was outsourced to regional subcontractors and then put together at FAUL’s. State of the art modern machinery was in place but was occupied at the time, for modern gun production and to manufacture selected spare parts for Colt’s in Hartford. Contrary to stories published in a number of gun magazines FAUL was never assigned the status of an official spare parts manufacturer for Colt.

Barrels, cylinders and frames for the Centaure were made of tool steel. This job was outsourced to the Liège machine shop of A. L. Roncarati, an Italian immigrant. At his shop the barrels were machined to shape, color case hardened the loading levers, and machined the frames from solid forging, whereas cylinders were lathed from stock. Early on back-straps were constructed in three pieces, welded together, thus avoiding use of special machinery. This is in contrast to the way it was done at Colt’s for their 1^st generation where it is one piece. Later cast back-straps are used at FAUL’s

First revolvers were rejected because the barrels did not line up with cylinders and frames.

Arbors were made of low carbon steel that stretched when fired with normal black powder loads used in the USA because all calibrations of the early design were based on data of the Belgian proof loads which were much lighter than those used by the US shooters. The arbor was changed to harder steel during early 1961.

Roncarati did not have modern heavy metal working machinery. So most all work done on metal parts fitted in the white was done by hand. According to Bill Edwards’ associate Lesley Field only one man was responsible for the “S” curve of the barrel lug. Metal cutting hand tools and hand polishing was used. Another workman removed all square edges with a metal cutting knife, again by hand.

The wodden stocks were all made in Ougrée, Belgium. They were produced by fitting rough trigger-guards and back-straps. The whole unit was then hand fitted together which accounts for the close fit of metal to wood of the

Centaures but explains the need for numbering individual parts of the pistols. Guns fitted and assembled “in the white” were marked with their serial numbers before being disassembled for bluing and case hardening.

All engraving work was done in Belgium except for the cylinders with the Colt/Ormsby type scene . This Colt/Ormsby naval scene was roll-engraved at Centennial Arms Corporation’s (CACC) shop in Lincolwood, USA on rebated, blank cylinders of 1^st variation RNMAs. These RNMA’s were ordered from FAUL fully proof tested by sister company Mars Equipment Corp., Chicago, the import and military surplus company of the Shore Group. By roll-engraving the Ormsby scene on the cylinders these 1^st variations became 3^rd variation RNMAs.

In line with Belgian test firing regulations finished guns were assembled and proof tested at the Banc d’Epreuves de Liège (Liège Proof house). This testing was performed with a heavy charge of lead over a heavy, wadded charge of black powder.

Each pistol bears the famous “ELG Oval” (picture above left) which is the mark

of the Liège Proof House, and the distinctive “Perron de Liège”, the arrow shaped mark (left) that is a stylized rendition of a famous water trough surmounted by a water tower in the center of Liège. Only after the pistols were returned from the proof house the different barrel markings and the centaur logo (picture above) were applied at FAUL’s.

Comparison of wedges: views from bottom (left) & top (right)

Comparison of bolts & bolt screws: see different lengths & angle

Comparison of triggers & trigger screws

Heavy duty Centaure mainsprings (center & right) vs Colt’s (left)

Comparison of back-straps

Nipples: Colt (left), early Centaures #C418 (center) & late #12307 (right)

Note 4 threads of Colt and late Centaures nipples vs. only 3 of early Centaure. Tapered cones of Colt compared to almost cylindrical of Centaures.

Compatibility of Parts, Quality of Materials and Workmanship – Comparison with 1^st Generation Colts & Italian Replicas: thanks to the work of Rifle and Herr Nedbal we have some current day evaluations as well.

Material used is 2 to 3 times better than Italians: frame, parts, screws are properly hardened. The barrel is very well heat treated. Modern, shallow rifling.

Measurements and dimensions: similar to original Colts except for “S” curves of the barrel lug and the bullet loading slot.

Barrel: pins and the depths of the hole for the arbor in the barrel are different. The distinct “S” curve on the side of the barrel is “sharper” but also lesser, flatter curved on the Centaure compared to 1^st generation Colts.

Outside finishing: is good but not as exact as described. Better than Italians of current production in a number of areas, however.

Contours and measurements: are not more exact than today’s Italians. Possibly the Italians copied the Belgians.

Screws: very similar to originals and almost fit. A bit smaller: Centaure 4 mm vs. 1^st generation 4,2 mm. Thread similar, smaller heads. Not properly fitted and too short.

Internal Quality: tolerances identical to slightly worse as compared to current but better than contemporary production Italians.

Frame recess: too generous, hammer wobbly (too small, frame recess too big). Mechanical dimensions of hammer notches including safety notch are different.

Hammers & hands: 1^st generation Colts have “fatter” hammer with more pronounced “S” contour of spur, see pictures below.

“Fat” hammers of Uberti (left) & Colt (right) with “S” contoured spur. Centaure spur is steep and narrow. Longer hand of Centaure (center)

Colt (top), Centaure (bottom)

Hand: measurements different, smaller pin, narrower, i. e. not compatible with original. Well heat treated.

Cam area: surface rough.

Bolt: can be made to fit original, Well heat treated.

Bolt/trigger spring: different (too long, too thick and too strong) but can be made to fit original. Well heat treated.

Wedge: not numbered as original. Thinner than 1^st generation but can be used for original. Well heat treated.

Trigger: hole not exact, quality comparable to Italians. Curve does not correspond to original.

Grip: good fit to metal, good wood quality. Back-strap fits original but workmanship does not meet standard set by 1^st generation.

Trigger guard: fits original but workmanship leaves something to be desired.

Arbor: sloppy fit with a pin from above through the treads. Hole for wedge not cut exactly (too much heat treatment?). Dimensions similar to original but sloppy, similar threads. Early pistols have the square ended bottomed arbor like the original but most later ones feature tapered arbor end fitting (unlike today’s Italian replicas).

Cylinder: smaller diameter at the rear end, locking notches deeper and wider, ratchets similar

Frame-to-barrel: sloppy fit.

Bullet loading slot: differently shaped compared to the 1^st generation Colts (below left). While the frame-barrel transition of both the 1^st and 2^nd generation Colts is a continuous line the Belgian has the distinct “Centaure Step” (below right).

Different “S“ curve of barrel lug of Centaure (top) and Colt (bottom)

Typical Centaure ”step“

2^nd Generation Colt vs. Centaure – Differences in the Details

Centaures RNMA 7th variaton #12307 (top) & Civlian 1^st variation #C418 (center) vs. 2^nd gen. Colt 1860 #207514 (bottom)

To assess these differences above 2 Centaures from 1972 production #12307 (top: fluted cylinder, stainless steel) and 1960 made #C418 (center: rebated cylinder, carbon steel) were compared to a 2^nd generation Colt Army 1860 #207514 (bottom: fluted cylinder, 4-screw frame, carbon steel) from 1980.

Comparison muzzles: note crowns of Centaures

Comparison of bolt /trigger springs

The 3 pistols were disassembled and the parts measured. Measurements are in mm/in unless otherwise stated.

Point of Impact vs. Point of Aim: the Belgian makers were concerned about the guns being able to hit what a person was aiming at. They shoot low or to point of aim, whereas the 2^nd generation Colts and Italian clones always shoot high. The reasons? Because the front sights of the Centaures of later production are higher than

Centaure #F11117 (left) vs Colt #0858US (right)

the Colts and clones (left picture). This provides the ambitious target shooter with lots of room for adjusting the front sight to his personal needs.

We can also assume that their shallow rifling provides for better gas sealing, i. e. higher velocities and flatter trajectories of the bullets.

Differences are in the Details indeed: as already pointed out by Bill Edwards in his 1962 book I believe that these subtle differences to the Hartford pistols were intended at that time to discourage easy fakery. Likewise the legend ENGAGED 16 MAY 1843 on cylinders with the Centaure proprietary naval engagement scene was discontinued in the Civilian Model after the

first 490 were made at the suggestion of the influential Ohio Gun Collectors Association.

On the other hand this same legend ENGAGED 16 MAY 1843 is on all RNMAs with the Colt/Ormsby-type naval scene (RNMAs 3^rd variation). This variation was regularly made from around 1962 to the end of production in 1973. In addition the marking COLTS PATENT N^o combined with the serial of the pistol is to be found on the cylinders of a couple of early pistols with this type of naval scene.

It is noteworthy that none of the Centaure cylinders roll engraved with any of the 2 naval scenes discovered so far bears the patent mark PAT. SEPT 10^th 1850. This random logic is barely understandable if considered in isolation. However, if we throw in the new Italian competition we have a completely different ball game from April 1963 when Uberti launched their version of the Colt 1860.

Up to that date the Centaure was the only game in town but this Uberti clone did not only feature the Colt-type naval scene on their cylinders but in addition the legend ENGAGED 16 MAY 1843, the patent mark PAT. SEPT. 10^th 1850 as well as the reference to famous engraver Ormsby between the naval engagement scene Engaged by W.L. Ormsby New York!

MYTHBUSTER

#1 The Centaure pistols were produced on 19th century machinery from Colt’s? MYTH BUSTED!

#2 Old blueprints from Colt’s were used to manufacture the “1960 NEW MODEL ARMY”? MYTH BUSTED!

#3 FAUL official spare parts manufacturer of Colt's? MYTH BUSTED!

#4 Quality of steel used? MYTH CONFIRMED!

#5 Exchangeability of parts? For the most part MYTH CONFIRMED!

#6 Fall-off of quality during later production? MYTH CONFIRMED!

#7 Quality of workmanship? If pistols of later production were excluded quality is better than contemporary Italian repros. MYTH OPEN FOR DISCUSSION!

WDN/March 29, 2010

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